Is it over?

Well our meetings came to a close today with the Jehovah's Witnesses that have been stopping by. We had a few interesting conversations but today We did what they did not expect; We preached to them. Once again they tried to play the witness by association card, where they try to say that we actually believe the same thing by agreeing with the things We disagree with them on. Funny, that approach I knew would only work for so long. I clearly and openly explained the Sovereignty of God and the doctrines of Predestination and Reprobation to them and she cracked and finally admitted that it is not something that she believes. She insists that humans have free will and that we are in control of our own destinies. I advised that she is taking the deity away from Jehovah and giving it to man, she did not disagree and then changed the subject. I proposed that we were only arguing and that our goal was to convert her and her daughter to what we believe truth is. I also proposed that our arguments are all moot, because it all comes down to soteriology. I explained that there are two variants of protestant Christianity, the ones who follow Rome and the teachings of Jacobus Arminius, or the teachings of the reformers (etc. John Calvin/Martin Luther), proto-reformers, and the scripture. In other words, salvation by works, or salvation by grace. They say they do not believe in a works based salvation, but they also said that they do not believe in the perseverance of the saints. So I pointed out that making a claim like that is directly contrary to the other. Of course the thing that really convinced them that our friendly chats were over was when I asked them what manuscript their NT was translate from, they only really believe in one translation, the "New World Translation". She found it in her bible... The Westcott & Hort. I told her that I was sorry but I can not trust anything they say because their Bible was null and void because of the Greek Manuscripts. (I had just finished giving them the history of the W&H vs the Textus Receptus versions before I found out about their Bible) This statement kind of set her back a second, then she said that we can generally come to the truth from all of the versions of scripture, then I told them no that the Westcott and Hort Greek NT was not the Word of God and that they seriously need to research the men who came up with that New Testament. I was very impressed with my brother in law Sevé, he stuck it out and fought back many great points. I loved the way he used the "O-3 God Logic" philosophical argument most atheists use to try and disprove God, to prove that God does exist and is in control of everything, including our Will and Choices. She was dumbfounded and pretended to understand, but her daughter got it.. and tried to disagree, in fact they both just admitted that they wouldn't like having a God like that. Then Sevé for the win said , "Your god can be logically disproved, my God can't".

I will actually be praying for Abby and her daughter, maybe the seeds we planted (or threw at them) will one day sprout.

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James Evans

"For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast." -- Paul to the Ephesians (Ephesians 2:8-9)